Hi David,

I really wanted to let you know how entertaining your site was. Best laugh I've had all day.

I generally don't waste my time on simple minded bufoons such as yourself, but I thought you might like to know this.

Have you considered writing Comedy ?

Aaron,

Thanks for responding. I take this to mean that you don't have any evidence, right?

David

Hi again Chuckles,

What - pray tell - does a rocket scientist such as yourself consider evidence ?

And again - what evidence do you have for the existence of your precious Jesus , other than your discredited and plagiarisitic "Gospels"

I eagerly await your half assed reply

Aaron,

I have the types of evidence I'll accept listed on the page (sorry, I assumed you read it). They include:

1) Versions of the stories in which we can read about them doing these things (this is primarily what I'm looking for).

2) Any information coming from scholarly sources who are not specifically trying to prove parallels to Jesus, including:
a) general mythology books and websites
b) Christian scholars who concede the parallels
c) scholars (Christian or not) who work for a major university and concede the parallels
d) mainstream peer-reviewed journals
(basically, anyone who has taken a skeptical look at the evidence, instead of accepting it on blind faith, and found it to be valid)

3) Photographs of hieroglyphs.

And as for Jesus' evidence, besides the Gospels, we have

1) Josephus (yes, one reference was interpolated, but the other was not)

2) Tacitus

3) Suetonius

4) Pliny the Younger

(all of the above wrote about Jesus and His followers within about 100 years of His time)

5) Letters of the early church

6) The letters of the enemies of the early church, who, while they doubted some of the details of His life, conceded that He existed.

7) The fact that it would have been nearly impossible to form a religion based on a person who didn't exist, but is claimed by its founders to have existed in a very recent time and very local place. In general, those forming religions based on people who didn't exist had them live in an undisclosed time and location (or at least a very distant one), impossible to verify.

8) The fact that the argument that Jesus didn't exist is a very recent creation, never having had any kind of solid basis until about 2 centuries ago.

9) The fact that we have more evidence for Jesus than we do for practically anyone else from His time or earlier.

10) The fact that the arguments for Jesus' non-existence, if applied consistently, would prove that practically everyone else in ancient history didn't exist, either.

Now, I suspect that you'll say that my evidence for Jesus' existence isn't convincing. That's fine. I'm used to it. Christ-mythers such as yourself are always incredibly skeptical of any and all evidence for Jesus. Yet, oddly, they're also gullible enough to take these "comparison" lists on blind faith, not applying even an ounce of skepticism towards them before sticking them up on web pages and declaring them valid.

The difference is that my evidence at least exists. Does yours?

David

Hi again David,

Well maybe you do have half a brain after all . Lets start by setting the record straight, nowhere in my writings do I ever state that Christ did not exist. Only that the Gospel representation of him is muddled and at times blatantly false.

The book of Luke for instance is most likely based on a real Historical personage, believe it or not he was a relative of the infamous King Herod. He tried to lay claim to the title of "King of the Jews" but failed. He referred to himself as A {Not the only begotten} Son of the father - in the vernacular it would be a Bar abbas

The real Christ, is however mentioned in your Gospels, under a disguised pseudonym. He was Paul the Apostle, AKA Apollos, AKA Paulos AKA Apollonius of Tyanna .

I will address your main query at a later date as my time is extremely limited. And please do accept my apologies for my initial rudeness, I mistook you for another Bible thumping halfwit. Perhaps you are not really a Bible Thumper.

Aaron,

You were being rude? I hadn't noticed.

I'd be interested in seeing your evidence for Luke being about Herod's son. I've seen similar theories, but not that one yet. I did see one about the Biblical Jesus in general being Caesar's son, a 1st century B.C. figure named "Maximus Christos", an OT prophet who got twisted around, and some other ones. I'd like to see if yours has more evidence than theirs.

But, yeah, I don't consider myself a 'Bible Thumper'. I'm actually a former atheist (turned agnostic, turned deist, turned Christian) and could hypothetically see my faith changing to yet something else. I pretty much go where I see the evidence pointing. And if people say the evidence points in a different direction, then I have no problem looking at that evidence before deciding for myself.

I'll look forward to something later from you on the challenge, then. Do keep in mind that the money will only go to the first person to present the evidence, so if somebody gets to it before you (two other people told me that they were going to try to find it), then you won't get the money even if you end up finding it. Though if you give it to me later, I'll post it for sure.

David

David,

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. The nephilimnot website is just a hobby and I don't really have much time to keep track of it. As for Luke being Herods' son ??? If I {mis}wrote that , or you misconstrued it , it certainly wasn't my intent. I have no evidence of Luke being Herods son, and have never heard of any.

I simply stated that Jesus was a Herod, it is an old theory which has several variations. Many of the actual New Test. ref. to Jesus mirror Antipas -- however the actual "godly" non jewish gentile version of Jesus was Paul who was also Paulos, Apollos and Apollonius .. known to history as Apollonius of Tyanna .

http://www.geocities.com/nephilimnot/apollonius_of_tyanna.html

Links relative to the Herod theory.

http://www.sundayschoollessons.com/herod.htm

http://www.year-by-year.com/2006/10/6-bc.html

http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Dynasty-Hidden-History-Christianity/dp/B000Y4M8Q6/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220917552&sr=8-1

My apologies for my initial rudeness - I have no patience for Bible thumping bufoons posing as thinking people.

I am actually a former Christian, turned agnostic, turned whatever you would call my personal belief system today.. I guess you could say I'm a Deist of sorts.. but I'm not or never have been an Atheist.

Regards,

Aaron