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Zeitgeist Challenge. You Could Win $1000!

I am convinced that the majority of the claim made about pre-Christian deities in the movie "Zeitgeist" are false.  I am offering $1000 to anyone who can provide evidence backing up the claims that Zeitgeist makes.  Contact me if you think you have the evidence.  I list the 36 claims that Zeitgeist makes about Horus, Attis, Krishna, Dionysus and Mithra.  You only have to provide evidence for 18 of them.

Here is what I'll accept as evidence.

1) Versions of their stories in which we can read about them actually doing these things, provided that the stories are generally agreed-upon by scholars to be pre-Christian.  This is the one I'd most like to see.  If the deities are truly believed to have done these things, you would think there would be stories somewhere in which they do it.

2) Any information coming from scholarly sources who are not specifically trying to prove parallels to Jesus, for example:
a) General mythology books and websites, provided they have no Christ-myther agenda (sorry, I won't accept Wikipedia or similar forums, since there's no way to determine whether the individual doing the posting is a Christ-myther or not).  If it's a book, I must be able to acquire it from my local library, or you can mail me the book or e-mail me copies of the pages in question.  I won't spend my own money on it (this is to prevent someone from naming some impossible-to-find book and then calling foul on me for not going on a wild and expensive goose chase to get it - remember, I am asking YOU to provide the evidence.)
b) Scholars (Christian or not) who work for a university who agree that the parallels are valid.
c) Anything coming from a mainstream peer-reviewed journal.

3) Photographs of  pre-Christian heiroglyphs showing them clearly doing these things (I've seen Christ-mythers claim such hieroglyphs exist for Horus, but every time I ask them to send them to me, I never hear from them again).

Overall, I expect any evidence you provide me with to be something that a reasonable, skeptical and unbiased person (say, someone who is neither a Christian nor a Christ-myther) would accept as convincing evidence that the deity in question was believed, in pre-Christian times, to have done those things.  Simply quoting a Christ-myther, or quoting one Christ-myther who quotes another Christ-myther (and so on) obviously will not count.  I am expecting evidence that clearly existed prior to and separate from Christ-mythers.

Here are the lists:

Horus
1. Born on Dec 25th
2. Born of a virgin
3. Star in the East
4. Adored by 3 kings
5. Teacher at 12
6. Baptized/ministry at 30
7. 12 disciples
8. Performed miracles
9. "Lamb of God"/"The Light"
10. Crucified
11. Dead for 3 days
12. Resurrected"

Attis:
13. Born of a virgin
14. Born on Dec 25th
15. Crucified
16. Dead for 3 days
17. Resurrected

Krishna:
18. Born of a virgin
19. Star in the East
20. Performed miracles
21. Resurrected

Dionysus:
22. Born of a virgin
23. Born on Dec 25th
24. Performed miracles
25. Turned water into wine (not visible on the list, but the voice-over says it)
26. "King of Kings"
27. "Alpha and Omega"
28. "God's only begotten son" (not visible on the list, but the voice-over says it)
29. Resurrected

Mithra:
30. Born of a virgin
31. Born on Dec 25th
32. 12 disciples
33. Dead for 3 days
34. Resurrected
35. "The Truth"/"The Light" (not visible on the list, but the voice-over says it)
36. Sunday worship"

.And some clarification:
I take the phrase "born of a virgin" to mean that the deity was born of a woman (human or humanoid, such as a goddess) who had yet to engage in sexual intercourse at the time of his birth.
I take the phrase "resurrected" to mean being brought back to life in the body in which he died (as opposed to being reincarnated or made into a complete spirit), and for it to have happened in this world (as opposed to the underworld or world of the gods).  The same body, yet transformed, is acceptable, of course.
I take the phrase "baptized" to mean cleansed by water or blood in a purification ritual with spiritual ramifications (cleansing of sins, making holy, accepting as a follower and/or promising eternal life).
I take the phrase "crucified" to mean being affixed (by nails, rope, crazy glue, etc.) to a tree or cross, and dying on that tree or cross.  Being hung by the neck from a tree, or dying in the vicinity of a tree that they are not affixed to, does not equal crucifixion.

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